“I would have more respect for this posting if it didn't simply blame immigration and foreign aid. However, it is evil that people who have spent considerable years in their home (because that is what it is) will be shoved into somewhere unfamiliar or be forced to top up their housing benefits. And if you qualify for housing benefit that will mean that you have a very low income indeed.
Its another attack on the vulnerable and poor from a government with no scruples who are supported by people who are always keen to judge and blame other people. Bit like yourself really. But start a petition and I am sure lots of people will sign it. Better still we can force a question to be asked in parliament if 5 thousand people ask for it on the governenment web site Direct Gov.”

“You know what do, buy your own home. Don't like it, hardluck.”

“To bigmouth666, It shows me that you dont know what is going on in our country, our british people are suffering and living below the poverty line through no faults of their own, if there were enough jobs to go round then maybe people would be able to buy their own homes
poverty can hit anyone of us at anytime you included.
so if you have nothing worth saying then DONT SAY ANYTHING.
maybe the hard luck might hit you one day.”

“estherlawson, i commend you, it's about time more people had the courage to say what most of us think!!

I will gladly sign any petition that goes to our awful government, i fully agree that something needs to be done, it's about time we protested about something worthwhile!! If people are offended, tough, human rights don't count for us, no one cares about the British public, living in sheer poverty!!”

“Why is there so much passion on this subject and not on the subject of forcing us to work into our old age???...We should be strongly objecting and protesting to both subjects...”

“There are a number of issue's concerning me regarding this City Council, our representatives and those associated with regenerating this city, and I've high-lighted these for a number of years.

But getting the people to stand up for their rights and the rights of their future generations is a worthless and useless task!

Apark@Stoke4LUZ
honi soit qui mal y pense”

“Nothing is going to be a worthless task, never give up the fight before the fight has started.
I am a disabled woman and I am going to fight all the way to stop this injustice for all our poorest british people in this country, enough is enough where has all the fight gone in the british people,and yes we need to fight for our older generation who have worked hard all their lives and some have even fought for our country and also put into the goverment pot they should not be forced to work for longer they have earned their right to have there proper rest from working and be able to relax and enjoy what life they have left.
THIS GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE STOPPED FROM KILLING OFF OUR ELDERLY AND VUNRABLE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNRTY.”

“Rubbish, I worked hard at school, went to collage, got qulifercations and worked all my life, not in the best paid jobs neather. I brought my first home at the age of 20, paid off the £9,500 mortgage I took out on it at 35. I then saved for a few years and, takeing a small lone out witch is now paid off, I sold my first home and brought the one I'm in now. I own everything in it and owe no one a penny. It's called knowing where your priorites lie. Once you own it outright, they can't take it away from you. I strongly surject most just want the flash car, the Holadays, the large screen TVs, the fags, beer and all that. I have to agree with you that our counties boarders do need to be looked, buts it's in no way as bad as you make out. If you go down the rent road from the council, you adapt to there needs, you own no property, and you must be ready to adapt to there needs, not your wants.”

“May I suggest that Esther get involved with the North Staffs Pensioners Convention who campaign an awful lot on various issues affecting the elderly and vulnerable. They recently forced the council to consider a review of care after gathering 8 thousnad signatures. But this wasn't easy. It took weeks of standing in Hanley in terrible weather, attending countless meetings and facing officers head on. The number is 01782 201724 and its five pound a year to become a member with monthly meetings, fund raising and so on to get involved with.”

“"You know what do, buy your own home. Don't like it, hardluck."

Agreed. All these people whining about not getting state benefits to pay for their council houses, they should have bought them back in the 80s when they had the chance, instead of expecting the State to carry on paying for them forever. Should have had some foresight and planned for the future, instead of thinking that everyone else would pick up the tab for the rest of their lives. Lazy gits. Would you pay for my lifestyle? No? Then why should I pay for yours? Bl**dy scroungers.”

“And its just people like you who cause so much damage to all those poor people who are forced to be on benefit and no they are not scroungers there are alot of people who would rather work for their living and make a better life for themselves I see it day in and day out how these poor young people try to get jobs, the jobs are not out there THE JOBS ARE NOT OUT THERE, NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WANT A LIFE ON £50 A WEEK and out of that money they have to pay their electric, gas, water, tv licence, and top up their rent, food does not even come into it.
YOU DONT KNOW YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN, YOU COULD END UP LIKE THAT YOURSELF WITH NO JOB NO MONEY and when that happens maybe you just might understand these poor people,s blight.”

“To bigmouth666, YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE GET IN THE REAL WORLD. you havent said anything worth listening to, not everyone wants to buy a house, what about the people who have worked all their lives bringing up their children building up a home they grow old and draw their pensions they have to have housing benefits their children have grown up and moved out, do we let the govenment kick them out of their home or would you prefer they top up their housing benefit with their very small pensions, let hope your buble world gets burst what you going to do then.”

“bigmouth666 Tell me you own your own house, what will you have to say when you end up with empty rooms in YOUR HOUSE WHEN THE GOVERNMENT PUT YOUR COMUNITY TAX UP FOR ALL THE EMPTY ROOMS YOU HAVE ?”

“esther-while you are absolutely right to raise this issue which will affect many people of working age, I cannot help but think you are creating unnecessary alarm for many of our older people through mis-information.

The 'bedroom tax' affects people of working age and not people who have attained pensionable age. Granted, however, there will be many people in their fifties whose offspring have fledged the nest and who have established a decent home in the rental sector over many years. These are the people who are most affected along with single parents who only have occasional access to their children.

This legislation is certainly not about freeing up homes for immigrants etc. but an attempt to curb the escalating housing benefit burden everyone ends up paying.

I have serious concerns that this will do great damage in terms of community cohesion and will lead to mass internal migration (as has already started in certain London boroughs).

Just to be clear though, this is national legislation so please do not be taken in by the slant The Sentinel put on this;it is not Stoke City Council's dilemma but that of every council in the country.”

“Can anyone define the amout of rooms I need, no, I have two bed rooms, the smaller one is used as a study, you don't need some old girl who decided in her wisdom to have two or three kids and not bother getting a job when they entered school to higher there life chances. You want council house liveing, fine, but it's wrong to expect everyone to chip in to surply this, and you must be prepared to live in a home offered, not the one you want to. Off to a council bugalow with you dear, best thing for it,less chance of you falling down and busting your hip try to get loo. And yes, when I get old, I do plan to downsize to a privet bungalow.”

“To Potterspeil, yes I agree with some of the points you have raised, I am not blaming our stoke-on-trent council they are governed by the government, but I dont want people to have their eyes kept closed this is a very frightening thing that the government are going to put through in January 2013 as I said before alot of people cant help being on Benefits just look around stoke-on-trent look how much it has changed we have already lost most of the pot banks and coal that was the back bone to our working class in stoke, it is so sad to see people who just dont care about the young and old who are on the poverty ladder and have taken the view Im alright jack what has happend to the british people they seem to act like zombies with the government and just sit back and take what ever the government dish out and then moan about it later and with the immergrants fair enough yes let some come but we cant keep letting more and more in for ever the door has to close at some point.”

“ester lawson

I bet that it's on days like this you wish that you had tried harder at school.

You should organise your life better...”

“"YOU DONT KNOW YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN, YOU COULD END UP LIKE THAT YOURSELF WITH NO JOB NO MONEY"

And you know this how, exactly, Esther? Stick to what you know, love. FYI I do know, I have seen, and no I couldn't end up like that, not any more, I made quite sure of that a very long time ago.

"NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WANT A LIFE ON £50 A WEEK "

I rather think that many of them are quite happy to do so, although I'm sure that do-gooders like you would love to increase that by several factors, all of it coming from people like me who actually work for a living and contribute. I rather think it's yourself and your ilk who wear the blinkers. Go and live on a council estate for six months and see what really goes on, I think you'll find your perspective changes somewhat as regards the erstwhile "poor and oppressed" - or you could just watch an episode of Shameless, same thing really.”

“..and you should really learn to punctuate, and use grammatical structure correctly. I believe there are still local night classes?

Sorry, cheap shot, but you were drivelling and becoming incoherent.”

“You seem to blame it totally on immigration, and don't look at another factor within the problem unemployment, that some seemed unwilling or unable to adapt to and do jobs that were offered. The jobs they did, for whatever reason are not there anymore, but very few adapt, they just sit there and yell "Why can't I still put spouts on teapots".”

“I think this is a good thing the government is doing. For example: people who rent privately or own their own home often have to downsize to something more affordable when their children leave home. So for council tenants who have benefitted from subsidised housing when their children were growing up to say "its not fair" to ask them to move to a smaller house when there is just one or two of them in a 3 bedroom house is not only ridiculous but extremely selfish. You are the people who are making it difficult for the younger generation, refusing to downsize when there are young working families forced to rent privately due to a shortage of suitable council housing. These are the people we should be supporting and fighting for not the people who don't work.
As for the rant THE JOBS ARE NOT OUT THERE" well yes there are jobs out there. These jobs might not be the job you want and might not be brilliantly paid but they exist. The trouble is some people would rather sit at home taking money off people who work (who are often worse off than a lot of people on benefits) to continue on their irresponsible lifestyle, having child after child they can neither support nor care about bringing them up to strive for something better than they had.
The thing that is lacking amongst some british people is something called self-respect.”

“Well said YoungStokie.”

“bigmouth666
Once you own it outright, they can't take it away from you.
Yes they can.!”

“Esther, you say I have said nothing worth you listening to, I maybe don't to you. It seem that you have already made your mistakes in life already and looking for a way to deflect blame from yourself for the situation you find yourself in be whatever means. But what I'm saying may help people and prevent them from making the same life mistakes you may have made.”

“Only if you have a CPO pulled on you, with you will get money for or forced to sell to pay for care in old age, witch I don't agree with, but never mind.”

“@bigmouth666 I worked hard at school, went to collage, got qulifercations so this education didnt help with spelling then? apologies ifyou have dyslexia but not nice when you're attacked or dissed for something you may not have control over? I'm currently in a council property due to split with relationship. I work but have benefits to top up my wage to keep my two children. I had two jobs for all bar 6 years of my working life (i'm 37 in a couple of weeks) I don't wish to be where i am but choice is restricted due to monies. Which is probably the same situation for many people in Council properties. I'm totally offended by what you say please don't generalise.
The British people have no fight left in them as the goverment surpress and make sure we're at loggerheads with one another rather than against them united. They tell us to go to sleep don't have your own thoughts and and start questioning what is wrong with the world, otherwise we'd all realise just what the goverment were doing to us. I was one of the many ignorant that believed the media and all its hype and agreed when blame aportioned for ....'them coming into our country and taking our jobs' this is not reality. Anyway who the hell are we to say who should live where? we were all born the same...equals! We should live side by side and everyone have the same opportunity to live the same. Of course this doesnt happen but we could make a difference if we all stood together and united. Putting aside cultural, racial differences. Alas this won't happen in our lifetime, maybe we can start to change the new generations way of thinking and make a difference. I know i am. So we shouldn't sit here having a good old ***** at one another it doesn't help.”

“If your in a house paid for by the state, why should they subsidise your empty rooms....

If you want to live alone in a 2-3 bedroomed house buy one, too many people these days expect the taxpayer to pay their way in life for them.”

“I think some of the commenters on here have been harsh, but they're kinda right. Social housing is to help those who are genuinely in need and if your house is too big then you should really think about those with a larger family or who have different needs who also need a roof over their heads. At the end of the day you don't own a council house - if you were a private tennant and the owner decided to sell or ask you to leave you'd be expected to move out, at least councils will let you pay a bit extra to keep the place you're living in and if you do move out I bet they'd help with moving expenses and finding alternative accomodation, which is something you wouldn't get from a private landlord.”

“youngstokie makes a good point.....and as for people not wanting to live on £50.00 a week...well how come some of them have been doing it for 10 years or more...could it be because of the cash in hand jobs they do...there are people on benefits who rent out their spare rooms...it is these people who are spoiling it for everyone else...I had my own house, came ill and couldn't work and now renting a 1 bedroom flat...working again now but it was the best decision at the time...no regrets....having said all this, I think this government stinks....”

“At the end of the day I dont take kindly to be insulted,I had my own house once and due to very ill health and my health getting worse I am unable to work I wish I could but I cant so does that make me a scrounger ? I worked for along time putting into the pot, I dont live in a council house I rent privately, I can see why this country is the way it is with certain people who have not had the worse happen to them, so does that make you a cut above everyone else.
I can see this is a pointless exercise and the people who have made such rude insulting comments are nothing but gutter trash who only care about themselves and what they have in their own pockets.”

“What ever happened to walking a mile in another mans shoes? My education was held back by a disterbed (to say the least) childhood and a mental health problem no-one knew anything about at the time. I went through anorexia at 13 onwards along with the OCD. It was a mountain to climb and still is. I was lucky that I was born a stubborn ***** and never gave up fighting. I live in my own property now and hold down a part time job but as I said I am lucky.
The media tell us that the cost of buying ones own home has become impossible to meet for many people who are still living with parents or renting. We are not all so lucky as to have had life run smoothly or with just the odd bump or two.
Many people worked very hard in full time jobs and still ended up with no savings because of the low pay and lack of general ambition or opportunities. You can't get the banks to lend to you on a part time wage and basically no-one knows what is around the corner for them. Life tends to teach us lessons. Beware of what yours may be.”

“If your ill, your more then welcome to a good life paid for by the tax payer, I'm not in the best a of health myself, but I have the chance to work 20 hour a week in a job I very much enjoy to past my way. I work hard and have every thing I want. I don't like lumping everyone who live on benefits together as I know many can't work and are more then deserving of surport. The problem is we have a few, and only a few lazy idiots who expect everything to be given to them. If you are sick, and you have not been as lucky as as me to have a understanding employer, you should be supported in every way, and no, you should not be put under the stress of moving home. @ Givesadambl, yes I am Dislexic.”

“"the people who have made such rude insulting comments are nothing but gutter trash who only care about themselves and what they have in their own pockets."

Please, dear heart, I'm a far better quality of trash than that, and I care about many things, especially my cat (oh and Mrs Wiv, mustn't forget the memsahib, must we?) and I generally don't carry much in my pockets except my lighter and my cigar trimmer - the loot is all in the bank.

"I can see why this country is the way it is with certain people who have not had the worse happen to them" - you clearly did not derive the right lessons from your experience then. Survival of the fittest, my dear - adapt or die. I was once in a far, far worse situation than you could ever imagine in your worst nightmares, but I overcame it and now I own (no mortage) a £375,000 house, drive a Jag (also owned outright) own a yacht, and have close to 1/2 million in the bank - all honestly earned, might I add. He who perseveres, overcomes. Your problem is that you have a victim mentality, as do most long-term recipients of benefits, even the honest ones. The best thing that could happen to you is for your benefit to abruptly cease, then you might well wake up and start to take some responsibility for yourself, and stop bleating about this illness or that condition preventing you. I've had bowel cancer and a spinal injury in the last few years, hasn't stopped me working or continuing to provide for Mrs Wiv and the young Wivenses, when they were still here, or enjoying myself in the manner to which I am accustomed. Obstacles were made to be overcome, and it makes you a stronger person in doing so.

"What ever happened to walking a mile in another man's shoes?" Good advice actually - that way, you're a mile away, and he can't run after you. They encouraged lateral thinking at Narkover, you see.”

“there are far to many people claiming for benefits anyway,i know some a genuine cases and cant work.But how things are getting is breeding a very very lazy society particularly in young people.The trouble is alot wont go to work for 40 hours a week for minimum wage as i have to and i work damn hard. You cant expect to not contribute anything whatsoever to the country then claim claim claim! I have worked full time since i was 16 and im very proud of that,i know jobs are thin on ground but they are out there if you look hard enough. If some ones in a 2 or 3 bedroom house private rented that a family could live in i think its fair of the government to ask people to cough up cos why oh why should they cover a family home for a ssingle tennent its stupid! Get a smaller property or even a flat,thats the solution surely,not to say its wrong if you sleep in one bedroom move into something with 1 bedroom. common sense id say .......”

“the real problem lies with the genuine people that are hard up and can't find work....and then the people that see benefits as a job in itself...the times i have heard jobless people say i'm not paid until friday ect ect...they don't see that benefits are supposed to be a short term fix, but some people on benefits are better off than the people that are actually prepared to get their hands dirty and thats not right..while i feel genuinely sorry for the poorest you have people living in 3 and 4 bedroom houses when they only need 2 which is why some families that need 3 bedrooms cannot get them..so this is a way to get families to move into accommodation that they can afford whilst being able to free houses up to the families that need them...”

“E_D_Wivens

You do talk a load of rubbish.

If the world is to be run like you say and I aggree "by and large" in other countries it is, then all is left is the survival of the fittest or the most POWERFUL.

No wonder the world is in such a state with people with such biggoted views as yours, get off your "high horse" and show some compassion to others that havn't "made it through the rain" as you have so proudly done.

What is at issue here is a government that is hell bent on cutting benefits fo the poor by any means they can while giving tax cuts for the rich.

Staffordshire council is just spending £200,000 on cameras and £25,000 on road signs and they say this country has no money for benefit payments what a load of rubbish.

And yes Mr Wivens "if it any of your business" personally do work, own my own home and like you and have money in the bank but unlike you I dont see the justification of taking from the poor to give to these corrupt council and MPs because unless you are one of them I can assure you you will not benefit one penny from these benefit cuts.

Wake up Mr Scrooge its not for your benefit they are doing it, its for their own benefits "expenses"!”

“Let's not forget just recently the bankers' Labour/Tory/Lib-Dem coalition of puppets have raised the prospect of sending 500 families from London to live in Stoke-on-Trent. Unless the subject of 1000 per day immigrants coming to Britain is courageously tackled then I'm afraid any bedroom tax petitions are utterly futile!
http://tinyurl.com/c5fch56”

“Neil, I started to read what you wrote but I'm afraid I got bored really quickly. At least Tony and Johntoe and the other Sparts make an effort to put an argument together. If teenage drool like that is the best you can do, don't bother. "Bigoted" has only one "g" incidentally.

This compassion you speak of; what is it, and where can it be found? If you're so compassionate, why don't you give up one of your rooms to one of these poor wretched victims, or better still, sell your house and divide the money amongst the deserving poor? Ah. I suspect your compassion has a distinctly cir***scribed practical limit when it comes to actually putting it into practice.

I won't benefit? It won't do me any harm though will it? In fact, it won't affect me in the slightest. And your argument is specious. Try thinking a bit more in future. Time to open a Gelas 18 though now, Wivens Mansions is rather a jolly place of an evening.”

“I can see from most of your stupid child like comments shows me what a silly little man you are.
E_D_ Wivens you have no heart, and no feelings for anyone accept your selfish self.
I would pick being with the most poorest of our country than having anything to do with the likes of you.
Are poorest people DO HAVE PRIDE COMPASSION AND WOULD HELP ANYONE WHO NEEDED HELP even if they havent got big fat bank balances, you certaintly dont belong to the human race.”

“Wivens can talk rubbish at time, but half as much as Batkin. If you look at the reports about the 500 famlies being sent from London, you would find that the Concil consered had asked many privet providers of homes all over the country if they had homes to take these people, it was never there intention place them all in one area. That only was thought be no brained idiots like them in the BNP, such as yourself.”

“"E_D_ Wivens you have no heart, and no feelings for anyone accept your selfish self.
I would pick being with the most poorest of our country than having anything to do with the likes of you."

That's not true, I like my cat.. and Mrs Wivens.. most of the time; the cat's easier company though. And as for your preferred choice of company, well it looks like you'll be joining them soon enough if all this scaremongering you indulge in turns out to be true. Not that you'd be particularly welcome at my golf club anyway, especially if you can't afford a round.

"you certaintly dont belong to the human race" - no, I'm significantly above the shambling unthinking ape-like untermensch that do-gooders and socialists like to call "the working class" but are actually just non-contributory urban proletariat, if that's what you mean by "human" - although personally, I'd consider anyone who doesn't have a degree from a real university, didn't at least go to grammar school, hasn't mastered basic Latin or Greek, and doesn't earn at least £50K a year, hardly worth considering as "human."

"WOULD HELP ANYONE WHO NEEDED HELP" you're starting to drivel now dear, you're becoming increasingly difficult to comprehend but I'm presuming that you're trying to say that these wonderful poor people would always help anyone else who needed help. I rather think they're more likely to steal from the most weak and vulnerable, as last year's year's riot footage showed. Or did I just imagine that I saw those poor innocent blacks and chavs mugging that injured Malaysian lad, smashing up shop windows and robbing everything that they could? There's your helpful poor for you. If you want to prove me wrong, come and re-pave my drive for me for free, I need help with that, and I'll even make you a cuppa.

"stupid child like comments" eh? I do apologise, dear lady, your razor sharp intellect and incisive social commentary put me to shame. I will change my ways forthwith and become just like you, my lodestar and role model! (so where's the benefit office then... I'm sure I can get disability with my back... dad's medical book should be going for finding some condition or syndrome as well...)”

“wivens shut up and go play your golf.”

“Wivens, can I just point out to you that some people are in such poor health, and it might not be any fault of there's that they can not, however much they want to, work. Thank you, will you please enter the real world instead of Wivens World.”

“People have got to start paying for there houses...really, thats novel?

Join the rest of us and start paying for things instead of relying on OUR money to live.

Harsh? No!!! Unless your disabled or elderly there is no reason for you to be unemployed and living of the state!!! Why should we pay for able bodied people to live? No one gives me anything for free...

One more point, If you cant afford children dont have them, simple!!!”

“People have got to start paying for there houses...really, thats novel?

Join the rest of us and start paying for things instead of relying on OUR money to live.

Harsh? No!!! Unless your disabled or elderly there is no reason for you to be unemployed and living of the state!!! Why should we pay for able bodied people to live? No one gives me anything for free...

One more point, If you cant afford children dont have them, simple!!!”

“If People adopted this dont have children then mankind would fail to exist.
Most people have children because they believe they can afford to, but many things can go wrong which has put people out of work and no money.
I have two sons that have both been looking for work it must be coming close to a year now they go to interviews every single day and many jobs that are going have one vacancy to which thousands attend interviews jobs are hard to get.
The people who are on drugs and alcohol and only live and die for their benefits to support their addictions are the ones who should not be able to live off the state that is wrong.”

“Blimey! We have come a long way since Dickensian times haven't we! Wivens tut tut. Playing to the crowd you naughty man.

Really its the system by which houses are allocated in the first place that needs changing. Its a nightmare of red tape and inconsistencies. No consideration is given to the new tenants fitting in with the exisisting community and there is a lack housing for people as they age and their circumstances change. I love my home but if I have to leave it when I can no longer get up the stairs I would love to go into the Extra Care Housing like the one on London Road.

Soapbox32 Having or not having children is not simple. There is a little thing called nature tending to decide for you.”

“I think we all have to accept that the world is changing and we can't just have what we want...fact....When we talk about people scrounging we are talking about those who blatantly refuse to work....we know there are thousands of unemployed who are desperate to work and these people deserve the respect any human being is entitled to....but some people are having baby after baby just for the benefits and so they can stay at home...fact....this is what needs looking at....why should I pay for someone else's children....I think Wiven's can be a little blunt but if you pick at some of his points he is only saying what a lot of us downtrodden working people think....Cameron and crew don't care a jot for any one of us and our anger should be vented on them.....fact...”

“E D. WIVENS YOU SAY YU AD BOWEL CANCER A FEW YEARS AGO AND SPINAL HOP DID YU PAY WITH THAT HALF-MILLION POUNDS YU GOT OR DID YU AV IT FREE OFF THE GOVERMENT CUS WITH THAT MONEY THEY SHOULD MAKE YOU PAY FOR IT INSTEAD OF TAKIN OF THE GOVERMENT IDIOT................................”

“And that ghost is about the truest thing posted hear, at the moment we are all getting sh*t upon by a Govenment that were not elected on the mandate they now push in Westminster. The faster this lot are brought to there knees by Libdems seeing what there leaders are doing is wrong or the odsered selfishness of the Consirvative back benchers the better it will be. We don't know what we are haveing with it, even with the Conservatives on there own, as untrustworthy as they are, it's better then this.”

“WIVENS IF YUR CANCER RETURNS I PRAY YU PAY FOR THE CHEMO AND RADIO TREATMENT DONT THINK SO YOUR AS TIGHT AS A DUCKS ASS DAFT *****”

“"Playing to the crowd you naughty man" - I don't think I've ever been accused of that particular vice before, dear heart.

"THEY SHOULD MAKE YOU PAY FOR IT" - private medical insurance, old chap. As a much-valued and highly-skilled employee, all my needs in that regard are taken care of. You should try it sometime, if you have any particular skills, which given the overall standards of your literacy I rather doubt.

"Wiven's can be a little blunt" - my dear friend, it is my aim to be as obnoxious and offensive as I possibly can be!

"please enter the real world instead of Wivens World" - but WivensWorld is so much better (it's a most delightful place you know!)

"wivens shut up and go play your golf" - well, it is a Friday so I'm off to do just that, weather permitting. Fancy a round? We do take lady members and visitors these days, terrible idea really but more EuSSR and Human Rights nonsense that's been foisted on us, I'm afraid.”

“"E D. WIVENS YOU SAY YU AD BOWEL CANCER A FEW YEARS AGO AND SPINAL HOP DID YU PAY WITH THAT HALF-MILLION POUNDS YU GOT OR DID YU AV IT FREE OFF THE GOVERMENT CUS WITH THAT MONEY THEY SHOULD MAKE YOU PAY FOR IT INSTEAD OF TAKIN OF THE GOVERMENT IDIOT....

Is this a new language?”

“"WIVENS IF YUR CANCER RETURNS I PRAY YU PAY FOR THE CHEMO AND RADIO TREATMENT DONT THINK SO YOUR AS TIGHT AS A DUCKS ASS DAFT *****"

If this is your normal standard of communication it's no wonder you probably don't have a job.”

“I am sorry but will someone please tell me about all the imigrants that come to this country and go straight on our benefit system who have never ever paid one pence into our pot ?
Why the hell should we allow these people onto our benefit system, if we were to go to any of their countries its pay or Bloody die.
And Wivens is probably old and has nothing more to do than boast how well off he is, I know people who are well off and dont brag about it,so that tells me he has only got his pension.”

“And back esther goes to play the blame game. It isn't us guv its them! What you are saying about immigrants others are saying about you and you didn't like it did you?”

“Will someone please explain to me the policy of cuts to indigenous people while "our" Government gives millions in Foreign Aid, billions to the corrupt EU, and allow thousands of immigrants into this country with its employment, and housing problems????
How on earth can "our" Government be short of money???”

“Bigmouth 666 as for losing the house you have paid for all your life, ask Cissie Richardson the 90 year old widow who had her house repossed while she was in care and sold to pay for her care by this bunch of jackboot thugs.”

“Point one, no matter how much money anyone as got, a person should always be treated for any illness on the NHS if they wish, to not allow this takes us down a very dark road that we do not need to travel. Point two, I have never seen anything to convince my that people are comeing to this country and clameing benefits straight away, I think there is more of a problem with them disserprearing and being exploited by some hear legally from there own culture.”

“The Facts Are We Do Have To Many People Coming into this country for a better life but I am sorry we have to look after our own first before we can help others.
Someone tell me who helps our people to have a better life, its all good talking about it but not one of you are living it not one person on this site.”

“The Government are not short of money because they just take it from the poorest people in this country while they are busy filling their glasses with champange.”

“Esther, I have to agree with Jobeeone, what you say about the immigrants, others say about you & you don't like it. You show the same degree of narrowminded bigotry as Wivens, but the difference is I'm not sure he is actually serious.

My Dad fought in the British armed forces during WWII and worked hard, for the following 45 years afterwards, with deduction of UK PAYE (paying into the system, not drawing out). At 90, Dad deserves your respect, not condemnation.

NB: The Royal Air Force roll of honour for the Battle of Britain recognises 595 non-British pilots, out of 2,936 (that is more than 1 in 5), with Poles outnumbering Canadians & Czechs outnumbering Australians. No.303 ("Kościuszko") Polish Squadron was the highest scoring RAF squadron of the Battle of Britain. How odd that a bunch of Eastern Europeans "over here, taking your jobs" etc. (24% dying in the process), failed to elicit a single complaint from the Little Englanders, at the time.

As for current times, look at today's Birthday Honours list & note the major contributions to architecture, medicine, education etc. immigrants & their descendants have made to British society.

Ghosts & Youngstokie are right, the thing that is dragging this nation down as much as anything else is inflexibility & the benefits culture ("won't take that job, it doesn't pay enough", "won't downsize, I am happy in this house", "no jobs round here, but my friends are, so I am not moving") & an inflated sense of automatic entitlement "because I am British".

The party's over Esther, the scroungers have overdone it & outstayed their welcome - that's why there is so little sympathy left from the overtaxed workers who still pay in to a corrupt & broken system.

We cannot afford to give money to despots like Robert Mugabe, nor bailing out millionaire bankers (I think I spelt that right), but we can't afford to carry on paying benefits at historic levels either. The givers might have to pay more in taxes, but the takers must be more realistic in their expectations too, we cannot pretend that the good times are still here.

Oh & sort out your netiquette too. Posting in captials online, is "shouty & rude", which does your bigoted point of view no favours.
http://tinyurl.com/dykfwxt”

“Erratum,
The font shows "KoÅ›ciuszko", when my post appears online, but it is spelt "Kosciuszko", with an acute accent over the first s.”

“Esther if I gave you a list of the bar-steward stuff my life has consisted of I'd be writing pages. I also work for a charity, am a member of and do voluntary work for another and am secretary of a community group. I don't blame strangers for the terrible things that have happened to me and have absolutely no right to judge anyone. Espacially on such flimsy evidence as being born on another peice of soil from this one!!!!”

“Bigmouth666 how about this then, Pakistani came from her own country landing at Manchester air port her family picked her up and took her to A+E in stoke she was brought over just for free treatment and don't say that is bull c**p because i work there and we could not turn her away, plus she had no insurance, so yes people do come to this country just for BENEFITS, SO PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT.”

“Well Said Rambo 1960.”

“FREE RENT FREE COUNCILTAX .NOBODY DARE MENTION THE IMAGRANTS FLOODING IN TO STOKE -ON -TRENT,GIVE IT 10 YRS WE WILL ALL BE LIVING IN TENTS AND THEY HOUSES.THINK ABOUT IT HOW AND WHERE ARE THEY GETTING HOUSES FROM .ERE IN STOKE 2,000 ARE ON THE COUNCIL WAITING LIST AND THEY COME HERE AND GET COUNCIL HOUSES AND BENEFITS .SO GET USED TO YOUR TENTS.”

“I see Esther has found a friend in her blanket hatred of anyone from anywhere else. Rambo the NHS is free at the point of need at the moment and because of that it does get abused by to many people. It doesn't mean that anyone seeking to live in this country or visit it is out to strip the system. I hope that I am never treated by a nurse whose user name is Rambo!!!!”

“wether my username is rambo or jo blogs it dosent stop me treating a patient and give them the best care on the NHS, so lets get back to the story, in my comment i said that she came to this country just for treatment not for a holiday if she came for a holiday then she would not be ill on the way she was taken ill in pakistan do you get it now so yes they are SCREWING THE SYSTEM,”

“With Pakistan being part of the Commonwealth and has been since it's inception in 1947, I feel we have a dutie of care to it's people if it is needed. If yhis lady had relatives hear witch it looks like she did, they would have paid tax and NI. The way the NHS is set up, we can do this and look after our own people and visitors to this country that may need help .”

“By the way Terry Mrs. Richardson home was under CPO and had been for years, she was not the one complaning about the sale and had agreed to it. That she went into care is regrettable and I belive that that use of her him money to provide that care to me is wrong. The main complement in that case was the family, and the reason for that is easy to work out.”

“There, a weekend of local bigertrey blown out the water, good day to you all.”

“I doubt that Bigmouth666! Rambo I never said that people were not taking advantage of the free at the point of need NHS in fact quite the opposite. The NHS and medicine has come so far that we often think that anything can be cured and we have some sort of right to treatment however minor our complaint.
Surely you work alongside medical people from all over the place. I am sorry that you have taken particular offence to this lady and I am sure that you see an awful lot of life in all its glory (more so on a weekend) but really, what about 'do no harm'? I feel proud that you put everything aside and cared for this lady. Its what Britian and its people 'where ever they came from' is all about. Help to someone when they need it with no strings attached is what sets us apart from despots and those who only seek self. To be honest I'm a ruddy big girl up and across so Rambo would be of great help!!!!”

“To Rambo. You say '"wether my username is rambo or jo blogs it dosent stop me treating a patient'
You are a NURSE?
I am now terrified that I may need treatment by one so very ignorant.
If the NHS is employing people who cannot string a sentence together or spell correctly, and is full of hatred for their fellow man ( or woman as it might be), then this country is indeed in a very bad place.”

“"so that tells me he has only got his pension"

Not yet, Esther, but I'm looking forward to it. I converted it to final-salary in 2001 based on projected retirement age of 55, which is coming up quite soon. A very wise decision on my part, especially as my mortgage was paid off some time ago. And it is a very, very good pension scheme indeed, one of the best in the private sector.”

“cameron will plop on you all in the end”

“Oh my dear Wivens you make I laugh!! You paid in? You are an intelligent person? I enjoy you. What about humanity? Apes and all that?
Would someone senior say plop?”

“Well, I don't really understand what your point is supposed to be. I'm stupid for financially securing my retirement in a cast-iron pension scheme offered to employees of a major multi-national defence and aerospace engineering firm? Strange perspective you demonstrate there. I could show you my pension pot statement (but I won't, obviously.) I'm going to assume that due to the time that you were posting, you were tired and not thinking quite as straight as you normally do.”

“To true Wivs. Space? Or satalite? And I do recall that the famous are referred to as tired and emotional. Hope its space as have theorys on same.
The ginger one is away and am fairly bored.”

“Neither, I'm afraid. Sorry to disappoint. Munitions only. Guidance and propulsion systems. Radar-guided stuff mostly. I wanted to design proper space rockets, having been born in 1960, and being part of the Eagle-comic generation and witnessed the space programme of the 1960s and the Moon landings, but by the time I started my career, it was all over, and munitions design was the closest I could get. And I never got my jet-car or house on the Moon.”

“Get a job scroungers”

“Well, insults, sycasm, passion, this thread has it all. Of course everything is so complicated with no black and white ( no pun intended for any immigrant haters out there).

Esther has a valid point about the assault on the most vulnerable, once everyone can actually agree on who they are - there are lots of genuine cases out there, despite some blatant examples of the worst of dependency- I think it used to be called the "deserving poor" as opposed to the "scum". There are more deserving poor around than what many "alright Jacks" can be bothered to think. A couple of bad breaks Jack and it could be you, all smarmy and swank in your nearly paid for house.

Some postings are obviously a play in winding up, as in Mr Wivens, as the logic of using oneself as a microcosm of the world is totally flawed. For example I'm 6 ft 5 and I said to the little guy who was 5ft 6 to grow up a bit more , should have eaten his veg as a kid, and I wasn't going to reach up to the top shelf for the lazy so and so. Had a car crash - tough - should have looked where you are going - I've driven for 40 years without a scratch to my car so why should I pay for accident victims in our hospitals, and the smokers and the drinkers and kids who don't earn, in fact lets get rid of welfare altogether.
Then we will have total chaos and disorder that made the recent riots look like a stroll, just because I don't give a damn about anyone else - what an easy statement to make but Twisted- Wivens knows that but likes to show off his interlectuall prowess(sic), though quite witty. Maybe we should go back to Dickensian times - lovely times I'm sure for old Wivens. The welfare state came about because it was needed by the many, resisted by the few who didn't need it. Thank God it happened.

Its just a shame that when a decent point is made, other statements come into it and some daft things veer it off course to the point of futile argument. Esther - never mix your politics - you have to be cleverer than to make a strong point and then open yourself up by going on about immigration - which is a red herring - only relevant to those who like to blame peripheral issues for the fundamental problems in this country and the world , around greed capitalism at its most destructive ( when it could be creative), and the lacking spirit and humanity of many "alright Jacks" who come out of the woodwork to boast about their ( not there) good fortune, decisions, hard work - hey life has a habit of biting you when you least expect it, my alright JAcks out there.

Happy days !”

“When the Labour govt.sold the country's gold assets and borrowed up to the hilt it has made the recession far worse than it needed to be in this country. It will take any govt. now many years to get us out of this and in the meantime it is the general population that suffer while bankers and the few politically at the top are doing OK thank you. My husband and I worked hard all our lives and paid off our mortgage and saved a little to help in our senior years. However I have now had to leave the home we loved to rent it out and rent a small place for myself to live in to supplement my pension. I dread having to go into care in the future as my children and grandchildren who have also always worked will always be struggling and my plan for helping my grandchildren to get on the housing ladder will never materialise it seems.”

“Most of the insurance stamp that we paid while working went to social services with only a fraction of it going to NHS. People don't seem to realize that social benefits were only meant as a supplement to help those in need and not to be their income from birth to death as many are now expecting. I'm all for helping those who are genuinely incapacitated to be taken care of but the rest should get off their backsides. If they were made to accept the jobs that the immigrants are now doing we wouldn't have this problem. Employers choose immigrants because they are cheap, if they were made to pay equal wages they would choose the applicant more fairly. Most immigrants come here expecting to work hard and for a better life which are the same reasons as people from this country emigrate. The NHS we can barely afford these days as politicians from other countries have said when they have come here to see if they can replicate it. We are treating illnesses that we would have died from in the past but this comes at a price with the expensive surgery and drugs and research that are involved. I think we should just look at our own lifestyles before condemning the immigrants . Immigration is of course a problem but we need to be fair.”

“Council house were meant to house families who need a home.

Example--A 4 bedroom house with 3 bedrooms for the kids....Kids grow up leave home you only now need a 1bedroom.

Why should the Taxpayers pay for you to live in a 4 bedroom house forever?

DOWNSIZE or BUY your own HOME.”

“Good grief!

I thought this thread had died the death it deserved to.”

“To get me and mar lady out our ouse they add better have a couple of big lads to do it its a farce
we are all in it together " Cr..p " i live in a quiet area if they think they are going to move us anywhere they have another thing coming, if i move it will be where i want too.”

“You know what to do then Andrid, buy your own home.”

“Under 24's lose housing benefit and are expected to go back to mum and dad, but that it is to be made impossible if parents can't have spare bedrooms. What about a single parent who needs a spare room some times?

No joimed up thinking from the government. You can keep your rooms if you buy your own home but that is not possible for many people. Just a heartless and inhumane attitude towards some of our fellow citizens. Disgraceful!”

“Yes the subject is controversial.... its not "news"
And most of the facts and figures stated in this article
are far from correct.”

“There's no housing benefit in the extreme majority of countries. No hand-outs, no charity, no nothing. People have become complacent in the UK and used to holding to the mistaken idea that it is their right to have the rent paid. Take charge of your own life and stop feeling sorry for yourself.”

“Taking charge of ones own life is a lie perpetrated by those who hold the most power. How can a person take charge of their own life when they have limited choices? Choices presented to them by others. The way we live is constructed and we try to fit into it as best we can. No-one even knows yet why the heck we're even here at all!

Some people, 007, have more chance to take charge. And none of us know what is around the corner. Life does have a funny way of biting one on the ****!”

“I really dont understand what the problem is here. Many people who own their own home often have to downsize, sell up and buy something smaller once their children have left home. Unfair, maybe. Fact of life, yes. People often find it difficult to find the cash to fund a large house once children have flown the nest. So why should it be right that people in council houses can keep large houses with unoccupied rooms? Its not a case of making people homeless, its a case of shuffling people around.

I am lucky enough to own my own house, but have family members that live in council propery. So i can see both sides of the story. If someone genuinely needs help and needs a council house, fair enough. But dont be so selfish to think that its your god given right to live in a huge house if you no longer need so many rooms.

Please answer me this, theoretically if in the whole of S-O-T there was only 1 1 bedroomed council flat left, and there was a family of 5 who were really genuinely struggling in desperate times, in desperate need of somewhere to live, yet the majority of 3 bedded council houses were taken up with only 2 tennants, would that be fair????

I have always been led to believe that council houses are there to help people in their time of need. People need to stop being so unnecessaily selfish. If the house means that much to you, you should buy it outright. Otherwise move on into something more suitable and pass the house onto someone more desperate and in need than yourself. You once needed help and it was their for you. stop being selfish and depriving families of homes.

Lets face it, this story isnt about people scrounging and about immegrants - thats something totally different (that deservedly requires its own discussion). But this is about pure and simple greed. People not wanting to give up something that wasnt even theirs in the first place. If you want something to be totally yours, buy it. if its a council house, the clue is in the title - its the councils. They are well within their right to do as they see fit to accomodate the rise in people requesting help. People could end up sleeping rough and families split up because you are too selfish to move into smaller more suitable accomodation. You have no argument here and never will. Lawson, have the good grace to realise you are making yourself look childish by throwing your toys out of your (well, the councils...) pram”

“Council houses are, like the benefit system, there to support those who are vulnerable and who are unable to fend for themselves. They were not set up to house people who can afford to pay private rents or who could afford to buy their own homes. While a three bedroomed house is being occupied by one person, that is one family who are not able to have a house. Similarly, the benfit system was not set up to pay people to stay at home and fund their cigarettes or their cheap knocl off televisions for them to watch Jeremy Kyle on and hope one day to star in. The benefit system was set up to help the vulnerable and the desperate and was only ever intended to be a short term measure before the people it helped could get back on their feet. We have a nanny state that encourages people to feel they have a right to benefits and council housing rather than seeing it as a stop gap before they go on to help themselves. The lady posting this is deluded, I'm afraid, just like many who feel the government owes them a living.”

“riiight so...answer this, are there, or are there not enough single bedroom properties to house ALL of the people who have one or more rooms they don't use?,
(they will be telling you there are enough jobs next...or that unemployment is going DOWN in the middle of a recession.....OH)

AND as WE (the tax payers) pay for the upkeep of the royal palaces will her Maj have to 'downsize' as well?

AND are ALL one bedroomed flats always cheaper to rent than a two or three bedroomed one?
so if a couple living in a 2 bedroomed flat on benefits are forced to move into a one bedroomed flat, will they also be expected to ONLY move into one that is 'cheaper' to rent than the one they are currently in?
thereby reducing even further the available properties?

OR, is this yet another Tory lead attack on the easiest targets in order to pander to the knee jerk reactionary right wingers, and to divert the "herd" away from the real parasites?

Answers on a post card,”

“@ A_Reader

Bloody hell, I think you just might have hit cliché overload there,.... hang on...I think you missed "immigrants" and "do-gooders" or you would have had a full set,”

“You really do have the monopoly on self righteousness, don't you, Johntoe!”

“Am I the one throwing stereotypes around? so you think everyone on benefits watches Jeremy wassisname, and smokes and sits around "knocked off" TVs all day? and that everyone who rents HAS to want to buy their own home, or live their lives according to YOUR rules?...and you have the audacity to call ME "self righteous"
I rent, and you know WHY I rent? because I DON'T WANT to own a house....is that ok with you? I don't own a car either, and you know WHY I don't own a car? it's because I don't WANT to own a car...is that ok with you? I don't drink and I don't smoke...is THAT Ok with you? am I living MY life to your approval?”

“Careful, don't let that chip on your shoulder unsettle your balance...”

“I don't like the way this government is doing some things any more than I like drug dealers but both are here to stay for the moment.....what are they supposed to do...just let everything carry on and let the freeloaders keep on getting because they think they are entitled to a free living......I had to sell my home when I became ill and unemployed....I am now in a one bedroom flat......not the end of the world....we need a massive build of one bedroom flats in order to free up the larger council houses for families...I like to think of it as sharing it out a bit...Life is hard at the moment for everyone especially if you have had years added to your retirement age......Just share out the properties to those who need them most...”

“Yet more insults? do you by any chance own a mirror? I suggest that before you start 'name calling' you have a long look at yourself,
This has descended into a school playground "ner ner ner" match,
I enjoy a battle of wits and a clash of intellect, But I feel it's unfair to 'do battle' with such an obviously unarmed opponent,
I have made my position and opinion on this matter clear, I presented valid and reasonable questions, and put forward my opinions as to why I believe this proposal is unworkable, and what I believe is the real reason for it,
I have been met with almost every stereotype and cliché (Tory encouraged and unfounded attacks on, lower/working class minorities, oh WHAT a surprise) in the book, as well as personal insults, (the default position for the kneejerking do-badders)
To 'coin a phrase' Is that ALL you got?
I'm outa here,”

“@ ghosts

I agree, we DO need a massive build of one bedroomed flats, Not only would this create thousands of new jobs, and, jobs = tax payers, tax payers, = spenders, spenders = a moving/growing economy, as well as a reduced welfare bill.

But they're NOT doing that are they? they are just using this 'bedroom tax' as yet another attack on the working class/poor, and to divert attention away from the REAL parasites,
It wasn't the poor that created this mess, yet it's they who are paying the highest price for it.”

“I also agree with your comment Johntoe...but, half of the poor folk couldn't care less or even understand what is happening so long as they get everything paid for...”

“I totally agree with this and we all need stand together cause we are getting raped here and personally this government STINKS.”

“I totally agree with this and we all need stand together cause we are getting raped here and personally this government STINKS. And no its not about getting everything for nothing and those that are for this ****** Government then you are either RICH or Dam right STUPID”

“http://tinyurl.com/bqz4mjt
look up on this the over 65 are not included but the rest of us are if you get housing benfite then you will need to talk to your housing benfit office they will tell you if you need to down sise or not and it will be 14% of your housing benfit that you will pay per room dont listen to rumers or other people TALK TO YOUR HOUSING BEN OFFICE this only affect 18 to 64 years of age”

“A PERTITION IS NO GOOD THIS BECAME LAW IN OUR QUEENS SPEACH IN THE WELFAIR REFOM ACT ITS NOW LAW SO YOU WONT CHANGE IT IF YOU DONT PAY YOU WILL BE EVICTED PPL HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR OVER 2 YEARS AND WE LOST AS LABOUR WROTE THE BILL AND CONDEMS FINISHED IT WITH DUNCAN SMITH
http://tinyurl.com/74yethp THIS IS OUR FORAM JOIN AND GET SOME GOOD ADVICE”

“Housing benefit assesses two things what housing requirement your household has and then what income u have to pay for it. Before housing benefit family's would share houses kids would share rooms. The housing benefit say if u have an empty bedroom then the tax payer is not paying for it. They are saying its the claimants choice to have an empty room. If u can't afford to keep it empty fill it get a lodger oops would that mean u loose some of your benefit never mind. Less for hard working tax payers to pay for. A disabled person can still have lodgers just as blind man can cross the road. It's an income and a way of helping the homeless too help each other would you rather the council send someone round to occupy the empty room for you obviously not if you want the room empty then that's your choice so you pay for it I personally do not want to pay for it for you. I have three kids one now works two jobs and goes college. I work my husband works my son is disabled and guess what we don't rely on the state My sons have a bedroom each but guess what we worked for what we have we started in a council house worked hard and up the ladder. You have to work for what you have if we could afford our home we would get somewhere smaller it's that simple. We don't owe anyone a rent or job free living in a three bed semi for anyone who expects us to pay for it. My disabled son will work just as my eldest son does now on top of college. I know it ain't easy however if I came out of work tomorrow I would get any job I could lay my hands on even if that meant I swept the street emptied the bins anything for an honest days work. There are jobs out there for those that apply its just a shame employers have to either pay 500 plus to advertise a job in a paper for a night or pay an agency to search for them ( still more people in work cause of job agencies I've had my last four jobs from them one short term position four long term ones in ten years).”

“Will the Sentinel web page bods please take my name off this story as it appears on the letters site? Its trivial I know but still annoying as I didn't write this peice.”

“Way to get round it is get a job on the side cash in hand jobs a goodun”

“**** the government”

“Only way to get through life now is screw the country for all you can get life is too short I have for years and living in lap of luxury foreign holidays every year five bedroom house Mercedes only me and the mrs government screw us everyday **** em I'll have some of that cos I can and I will”

“Join the group:

http://tinyurl.com/c92tvg6

Sign the petition:

http://tinyurl.com/d6bv4wo

Don't sit back and accept it. Fight the fight!”

“You have to take responsibility for your own life,it is not difficult to stay in work,(I have been made redundant five times) what did I do about it?went out and got another job,it is not difficult to get a job,and buy your own house,its all a matter of decisions,if you choose to start a
family,at sixteen,well! its all down hill from there.”

“What ever you all think if you are able to work then its right that you do work but the government has to take into account that there miss handling of things has created a serious lack of jobs for people to go for. Also what of those who cannot work ? Where it is right for people to find work or at least try to find work there are people out there that cant work so cannot do anything. Are we going to have our streets full of disabled people seeking help.
It is my belief that when people get pushed into a corner they come out fighting, for many this will be another excuse to riot or thieve . For others who cant help themselves, it will be time to give up and just die. This country and its leaders should be ashamed of themselves.”

“I agree. I work full time at the moment and have always paid full rent. Now as I reach a pensionable age I am being forced out of my home that I have lived in for 20 years.
I would gladly sign a petition and march to downing street.
The government are dictating money grabbing *******s.”

“What an appalling example of English we have on this thread I was born and educated only up to Secondary school but this level of spelling and grammer appalls me and makes me ashamed of my fellow Stokey man/woman, oh by the way I am a pensioner, my husband is disabled and we live in our own house is that ok with you? I have to weave my way through the dregs of society as I shop in Tunstall dodging the drunks and druggies hanging about in derelict shop doorways waiting to collect their benefits from the Post Office. Oh I've just remembered people who can't spell call themselves Dyslexic nowadays don't they?”

“Cameron and his dodgy friends from the "Chipping Norton Set"a political cliqué close to the leadership of the conservative party.
Charlie and Rebekah Brooks charged with perverting the course of justice 2012.
Charlie Brookes is a friend of Cameron's and an ex Etonian ,he is a socialite , ex race horse trainer and a newspaper columnist .His wife Rebekah is former chief of News International .
Charlie has had his racing licenced revoked for dodgy practices ,and sparked the whole controversy over phone hacking after a servant found two computers of his in a car park at his Chelsea Harbour home.Rebekah used to meet Tony Blair each morning at 10am when she was at the Sun newspaper for briefings .Both Gordon Brown and Cameron attended her wedding to Charlie Brooks .Evidence shows she has text Cameron saying how she was" pleased to be working with him" .A) it shows that Governments are hand in glove with the press (that's why the public are fed fodder and kept in the dark).B) that they mix socially with undesirables .C) that an old Etonian clique run this country with their misguided judgements on how the public should run their lives .
Have your say and sign the petition at : http://tinyurl.com/9ssygmt
This is against draconian practices successive Governments are imposing upon us all.”

“Dear Bigmouth666
I`m afraid your in for a shock, like me you think you own your own property, at the end of the day you do not!. Years ago you like us fell into the trap of buying our own property. Remember the excitement and the feeling of relief when you paid your mortgage of, well it was short lived. You only need to look at what the government is doing should you need to go into care in later years, the money will come out of your property to pay for it. Now if your like us and have children you would like to help with a legacy when you die, they will virtually get nothing. If you sell your property to your children it has to be at legal price, you cannot sell it to them at a give-away price, and if your quiet elderly you have to let your children inherit or buy your property within a certain period before you are taken into care through bad health . This government has got it covered, and should you need to claim benefits they even want to know your saving, that which you have worked hard for, it wont be long before they need to enter your property see look under your mattress. My advice to anyone thinking of buy there own property is " FORGET IT", it takes 30 odd years to pay the mortgage you only have it for a few years, then should bad health rear its ugly head you will find the health care vultures sitting on your fence eager to get you in a care home. A solicitor admitted to me that there is no way to secure your home for your children. THIS "COUNTRY DESTROYING" GOVERNMENT WILL NOT REST UNTIL THEY HAVE US ON OUR KNEES.”

“IL WONT BE PAYING THE SPEAR ROOM TAX IL BE TAKEING IT TO THE HUMON RIGHT COURTS JUST TO WASTE THE TAX PAYERS MONEY. COSE IF THE ILEAGAL IMAGRANT CAN DO IT WELL SO CAN I. IM NOT GOING TO LAY DOWN ON THIS. THIS COUNTRY WAS ONCE GREAT. BUT YOU ALL SO CALL PEOPLE JUST LET IT HAPEN. WHEN YOUR CHILDREN CHILDREN COME HOME AND SAY MUM DAD WE HAVE NO WORK AND NO MONEY AND WE R UNGRY WELL TELL THEM IT WAS YOU LOT THAT MADE THIS HAPEN”

“Please join Tamworth against the cuts, enough interest and we can organise a protest against the bedroom tax/council tax reforms.

http://tinyurl.com/d9auhqu

or search Tamworth against the cuts on facebook”

“There are thousands of home owners who when their kids leave home downsize to a house they can afford to run so why should people in social housing be expected to do the same , I agree that the charges shouldn't apply unless alternative accommodation is offered but while single pensioners and couples who's kids have moved on occupy the bigger houses their kids with families are struggling to find somewhere to live.”