Speed limit cut on 'death crash' road

“i use the road on a daily basis twice a day have no problems at 60mph,lowering the speed limit will have no effect whatsoever,i see a comment by a gentlemen whos garden has been crashed into 4 time? i presume the bad bend by the garage?? that is a terrible bend at any speed i witness on a daily basis what i feel is the main cause of speeding on there, its people driving too slow i am talking 30mph and less this in turn infuriates and will no doubt cause a back up and then subsequent overtake events putting oncoming as well as other traffic at risk, i have seen this first hand.
educating is the answer adhere to a speed limit means also maintaining it? someone in a 60mph area doing 30 is an accident waiting to happen and in my opinion probably what cause 90% of accidents today.”

“So capt furious, you are basically agreeing with me that speed does not kill, its the driver ! If speed killed then every time someone went over the limit they would cause a crash ,thats not correct, so the driver is the cause by not being able to drive properly.”

“Before I start I'd just like to point out that I have every sympathy with the families connect with the 2 tragic fatal RTCs.

However on the subject of the change of speed limit. This article doesn't report the approximate speed at which the cars were travelling that caused them to crash. However a reasonable assumption can be obtained from local Rob Capewell's comment;
"I just hope people will abide by the new speed limit and not carry on driving at speeds of 60mph and above."

And above. My guess is that the accidents on this stretch of road have been caused by people driving in excess of the recommended speed limit of 60mph. Therefore will a reduction in the speed limit have any affect?

The drivers involved are both young males; statistically more likely to both speed and get involved in accidents. Speed is a personal judgement on road conditions and imposed limits have little effect on this judgement. Most people who will speed don't think "well it's 60 so I reckon it's safe to do 70", people make their own judgment based on the interpretation of contributing factors "I think, in this situation, it is safe for me to drive at 70". My point is that drivers, especially young males, will drive at whatever speed they deem fit and a reduction in limit will have little to no effect on accident and death rates.”

“IanMK:-
""Camband I'm sure you're aware that the road would need to be a dual carriage way for a 70mph to be considered anyhow" UNQUOTE.

"Not true there are many 70mph single carriageway roads in the UK." -By by Tom_Jones99" ....

Now this tells me more about the reason we have so many speeding offences and speed related accidents than all the other comments put together. THE LIMIT ON ALL UK SINGLE CARRIAGE ROADS IS 60mph. Period.

Somebody's been telling you porkies. Go and refer to your highway code -or on a Ministry of Transport website -and see for yourself.... they're pulling your leg sunshine.”

“To those who seem to think that the speed limit is appropriate, obviously you do not travel along that stretch at 6.45am or 4.45pm (shift start and finish time at JCB) and see the dangerous driving that goes on. "Tailgating", speeding, dangerous overtaking etc etc. Young, testosterone fuelled men who leave it until the last minute to leave for work is not a recipe for safe driving. It isn't the speed that is the problem, it is the bottlenecking and sheer volume of traffic at those times of day. That particular road never had those volumes before JCB was built. There were fatalities before JCB (Billy Harvey in the 80's) but they were rare. Increase the traffic 10 to 15 times and it stands to reason the accidents multiply. I always considered 60mph safe on that stretch until JCB arrived but a reduction would seem a sensible thing to do. The speed limit needs to start before the bend where these accidents happened as the camber pushes you to the opposite carriageway (which seems to be how these poor lads met their end). As my old dad used to say "better two minutes late in this world than 50 years too soon in the next"”

“"Camband I'm sure you're aware that the road would need to be a dual carriage way for a 70mph to be considered anyhow"

Not true there are many 70mph single carriageway roads in the UK.”

“Quote: (by IanMK) -'I'm sure you're aware that the road would need to be a dual carriage way for a 70mph to be considered anyhow. UNQUOTE.

Yes, only because someone in Parliament said so. But if you were making the speeding laws, it wouldn't have to be a dual-carriageway would it? As you don't think speed is a factor, contributory or not, then you, surely, if making the speeding laws -Would scrap all of them.

Drive as fast as you are skilled to drive. The unskilled would soon 'die out' -be 'killed off', and although they may take some 'skilled' drivers with them in the process, -you know, like bouncing across barriers and into oncoming 'skilled' drivers - So I see what you mean.

I mentioned this to an Undertaker friend of mine -and he said, 'Bring it on, bring it on'.”

“@ IanMK
I drive at a speed appropriate to the condtions and suitable for me to stop safely in the distance I can see. UNQUOTE.

There's a lot of people who've died at the wheel of their cars who spoke those famous last words.....”

“Knee jerk politics again, I expect that when you put ancient councillors in charge.”

“Over react zzzz, it's not the speed killing people, it's poor driving and rubbish cars”