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A STUDY by North Staffordshire academics has rejected a link between smoking cannabis and an increase in mental illness.

The research found there were no rises in cases of schizophrenia or psychoses diagnosed in the UK over nine years, during which the use of the drug had grown substantially.

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Pro-cannabis campaigners seized on the results as supporting the legalising of cannabis, and claimed the report had been suppressed.

But the leading expert behind the study said it could be too low-key to re-ignite the debate on whether restrictions should be removed from soft drugs.

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From their base at the Harplands Psychiatric Hospital in Hartshill, the four experts reviewed the notes of hundreds of thousands of patients at 183 GP practices throughout the country to look for any changing rate in cases of schizophrenia.

The work had been set up to see if earlier forecasts from other experts had been borne out, that the mental disorder would soar through the growing popularity of cannabis.

Published in the Schizophrenia Research journal, a paper on the study said: "A recent review concluded that cannabis use increases the risk of psychotic outcomes.

"Furthermore an accepted model of the association between cannabis and schizophrenia indicated its incidence would increase from 1990 onwards.

"We examined trends in the annual psychosis incidence and prevalence as measured by diagnosed cases from 1996 to 2005 and found it to be either stable or declining.

"The casual models linking cannabis with schizophrenia and other psychoses are therefore not supported by our study."

The research was conducted by Drs Martin Frisher and Orsolina Martino, from the department of medicines management at Keele University; psychiatrist Professor Ilana Crome, from the Harplands academic unit, who specialises in addiction; and diseases expert Professor Peter Croft, pictured below, from the university's primary care research centre.

Its findings come shortly after the Government reclassified cannabis from Class C to Class B, which invokes heavier penalties.

Yet Dr Frisher revealed last night that the study had been partly commissioned by the Government's advisory committee on the misuse of drugs.

He said: "We concentrated on looking into the incidence of schizophrenia during those years and not specifically at cannabis use.

"It was relatively low-key research so I don't believe it will re-ignite the debate on whether the drug should be legalised."

Hartshill-based Dilys Wood, national co-ordinator of the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, said that so far the report had been published in medical journals and would have a far-reaching reaction if it surfaced more widely.

She added: "I believe that if it had found a causal link between cannabis and schizophrenia it would have been all over the press.

"The public needs to know the truth about drugs; not more Government-led propaganda."

And Alliance press officer Don Barnard said: "It is hard to believe the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith did not know of this very important research when deciding to upgrade cannabis to Class B."

The team said a number of alternative explanations for the stabilising of schizophrenia had been considered and while they could not be wholly discounted, they did not appear to be plausible.

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    by Simp, Earth

    Thursday, December 02 2010, 2:57PM

    “@Paul, So Cal ... I totally agree with you!
    I want to see contra-marijuana studies based on vaporizing! I want to see real contra-marijuana studies based on scientific studies, and not just Gibberish!
    I, myself was contra-mj (even used to forbid my GF to use in front of me) .... until i started reading! Only than I tried.
    Vaping almost everyday now. I started even a second job! I have a long relationship and guess what... My GF said that I have change so much. And for the better! Befor I confided in noone. I had bad communication skills. Falling in to the void every day! NowI started talking with her...discussing things and god knows what else!

    Please people, stop judging based on human talks.
    Yes there are a lot of side effects like:
    *Hungry
    *Sleepy
    *Happy
    *Relaxed and pleasantly oblivious
    Pardon me, but if it is something that you need I can not understand why they forbid it!

    No cases of death!
    No proved cases of mental illness! Only assumptions!

    Why it is illegal?
    well... one word... Substitutes!

    Wood products, Oil! , Medicines (most of which by the way are "life threatening" and yet doctors are prescribing them like a sweet candies on halloween) and so on! These multi-million companies are investing good worth of money to keep it illegal!

    But hey don't trust me, a pothead with two jobs, happy girlfriend, and nice life... do your research on google... i can't believe that people these days are letting them to be told what is good and what is not!
    If for some people marijuana is harmful than he/she should choose not to use it... after all it is a mood changer (for some happy for some not so much) .... but don't forbid it for others!

    With regards,
    A simple pothead”

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    by Darren, Newcastle

    Sunday, November 22 2009, 12:08PM

    “Look to the Netherlands where cannabis has been decriminalised and regulated for years. With no devastating consequenses. Prohibition does not work. It merely puts the huge profits into the pockets of criminals, who then use them to finance other criminal activities. Cannabis has many, largely unexplored medical benefits, some which may have anti-cancer properties. Meanwhile, tobacco, a known carcinogenic drug with NO medical benefits, which causes 100 thousand deaths per year is freely and legally available. the whole situation makes little sense to me.”

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    by Wayne Phillips, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

    Saturday, November 21 2009, 5:36AM

    “While 'Schizophrenia link to cannabis denied' does bring the question of the reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B (which invokes heavier penalties) front and center -- because the casual models linking cannabis with schizophrenia and other psychoses were not supported by the study -- it (the article) does not go far enough because it did not require accountability from prohibition as an appropriate drug (policy) strategy.

    Suppose for a moment the link between cannabis and schizophrenia or psychosis did pose a significant risk to young people, particularly in relation to driving, let's say. How appropriate (or moral), then, is it to send ¿messages¿ via a prohibition that does not safeguard those with existing psychotic disorders or, youth, in general? How appropriate (or moral) is it to place the well being of the aforementioned at risk in order to forward an idealism that is neither shared or effective.

    When stakeholders (and concerned others) would rather send ¿messages¿ about being drug free (via a prohibition that is ineffective) than support policy aimed at effective safeguards then just how serious is either the threat (from cannabis) or the intent (to safeguard from it) to begin with?”

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    by Paul, So Cal

    Wednesday, September 02 2009, 7:01PM

    “Cannabis causes mental illness?

    Only sheeple that react to scare tactics over scientific studies would believe that rubbish.

    There isn¿t even a need for debate here! Cannabis has been used for medicine and recreation with no lasting adverse reaction for thousands of years. Do prohibitionists really think their misguided moralistic objections are going to change that? Come on! It¿s time to let go of ideology for the sake of scientific progress thus stopping the slayings of thousands and decrease family separation which are promoted solely by prohibition policies.

    Look, if an adult vaporizes or consumes cannabis in food there will be absolutely no lasting negative physiological occurrence. No killing of brain cells, no cancer, no psychosis, nothing. If any of these things were caused by cannabis consumption the people effected or the dead would be paraded in front of the world by prohibitionists. As it stands (for thousands of years) they don¿t have one case of the above to show for their misinformation and half-truths.

    Another point of truth: The reason cannabis is not for children is because it can distort time, space and perception (or in other words it gets you high) which can be a problem for inexperienced minds. That is the only concerning reason to promote abstinence for children and it is a good one. So let¿s regulate to gain control over cannabis distribution which under prohibition is fully in the hands of drug cartels and their dealers that don¿t ask for ID and try to up-sale our youth to meth and cocaine for lasting patronage.

    If a child has a medical problem that can be helped by the use of cannabis according his Dr and approved by his parents then abstinence should be waved. Eaten in small amounts would be the advised administration in this case according to all the information I have read on the matter. I know I would rather see my kids use cannabis as a medicine if needed then pharmaceuticals that have terrible side effects or may even cause death. I'm not promoting cannabis for recreational use among children when I say the following but I would prefer mine use it rather then alcohol or tobacco; substances that can totally incapacitate or kill.

    Google the key-words below for a few studies on cannabis:

    1) Marijuana may slow Alzheimer¿s ¿ CBS News

    2) Fox News Marijuana Does Not Raise Lung Cancer Risk

    3) PubMed Effects of cannabis on lung function: a population-based cohort study.

    4) Marijuana's Active Ingredient Targets Deadly Brain Cancer

    5) ncbi A Population-Based Case-Control Study of Marijuana Use and Head and Neck Squamous Cell Carcinoma

    6) WebMD Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain

    7) ScienceDirect Assessing the impact of cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005

    8) Marijuana Research: Debunking the amotivational syndrome

    9) Cannabidiol: from an inactive cannabinoid to a drug with wide spectrum of action

    10) WebMD Chemicals in marijuana may fight MRSA

    11) ncbi The endocannabinoid system and multiple sclerosis

    Dangerous drug? Sience says no!

    So why do prohibitionists promote the black market and all its woes over regulation and taxation? It is because they feed on the fear or the profits that come with prohibition policies PERIOD!

    Watch the best marijuana documentary ever: Google -> The Union Google Video”

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    by Douglass, USA

    Saturday, August 29 2009, 9:12PM

    “In the US we have an annual study called the National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health. They survey many tens of thousands of people every year on a variety of issues including drug use and mental health. If you look at the serious mental illness numbers in the ten states with the highest levels of marijuana use and the ten with the lowest, what you see is that there are lower than average instances of serious mental illness in states with the highest per capita marijuana use rates and higher than average instances of serious mental illness in states with the lowest per capita marijuana use. I don't think marijuana use reduces mental illness, but the numbers certainly do not bear out the claim that new stronger pot is making so many people crazy.

    Look at these studies that have found a link between marijuana use and schizophrenia. Every one of them is a study where they have followed people over a number of years and found higher instances of schizophrenia in those who used marijuana. You cannot conclude from a study like that that marijuana caused the schizophrenia, because the simple fact of the matter is that people with mental illness will often gravitate toward alcohol and drugs as a way of self medicating. It's no fun to be mentally ill. Life is difficult for these people, so many will turn to intoxicants to feel better if only for a while.

    These studies show a connection, a correlation, but not causation. And there is nothing to support the contention that "skunk" is making even more people crazy. This is pure propaganda, something the UK appears to be overrun with in recent years when it comes to marijuana.

    What is going on with all the "reefer madness" in the media in the UK in recent years? I was a little surprised to see cannabis reclassified after use had actually declined after it was downgraded. But I wasn't that surprised given the number of misleading scare tactic hit pieces coming out from UK media sources. Was this the result of a government effort or did the media do this on their own?”

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    by PJMcNeill, Medway, Kent

    Friday, August 28 2009, 2:03PM

    “The last plank in the prohibitionists' man o' war has been splintered into a thousand pieces, yet the emperor still stands naked on the burning deck....

    How long is this nonsense going to carry on for? All the anti-cannabis propaganda has been blown out of the water over the decades, yet it is resurrected years later. "Cannabis psychosis" was just a re-hash of the US's hysterical "Reefer Madness" anti-cannabis propaganda. The only difference was the moderation, and the absence of outrageous racism. Both campaigns purported to be protective of young people (whilst, in this country at least, the drug causing most damage to young people's health and social integrity, alcohol, is promoted strongly at them!).

    So, in their desperation, what will they come up with next? Cannabis causes terminal flatulence? Obesity? Well, at one time it was accused of rotting your teeth, but I think this was because people saw Keith Richards's stumps and put two and two together....

    Oh, and Warren, how come, after more than 30 years' regular cannabis use, my mind is sharp and my english perfect, when you (presumably never having taken cannabis, judging by the tone of your "comment") seem to have the mental capacity and intellectual grasp of a 3 year-old?

    Are you only three?”

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    by Alun, Norwich

    Friday, August 28 2009, 10:25AM

    “So there are those that say cannabis does not cause mental health problems (the experts) and those that say it does (people who know somebody that has suffered) ... the debate goes on - maybe some people suffer, but for sure it's clear that most cannabis users do not, and in fact the incidence of mental health illness amongst cannabis users is no higher than amongst non-users

    what i would like to see is a study of how many people caught with cannabis had actually done any harm?

    to those that support the prohibition, I would ask: how do you justify punishing somebody for owning or growing cannabis for their own use, if they have done no harm?

    do you think ipunishment is justfied in an attempt to prevent other people from using cannabis and nt doing any harm, because of those that seem to have suffered from it - and what about punishing those that say they benefit?

    Would you think it Right to punish people who drink quietly at home, because some people get addicted to alcohol, suffer physically or mentally, or fight and smash up the place?

    Should not the law concern itself with protecting people?”

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    by Alun, Norwich

    Friday, August 28 2009, 10:18AM

    “Although under a legal regime, information on the safety or harm caused by cannabis would be relevant, so long as it is illegal and uncontrollable with no possibility of providing credible advice, how safe it is seems to be of little consequence

    that includes our own government that refused to listen to its own panel of experts - the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD)

    the law ought not concern itself first with the relative dangers of the drug...

    the law ought to ask whether the user (that is those in possession) have harmed others or not - and if not, then they should at least be left alone and at best protected

    so what about a survey to find out how many people who have been prosecuted for cannabis possession or cultivation for own use, have had victims to those actions?”

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    by Warren, Meir

    Friday, August 28 2009, 9:21AM

    “When Drs. Frisher and Martino had compleated there extensive research they went and hid in a wordrobe with there best freand, a Chease Plant by the name of Billy. They then lit up the biggest ruddy spliff you had ever seen in your life, Billy was trying to kick the habbit, said it made him Schieophrnic, and Michael Jackson was in there two,but he said he did'nt want any neather, taken to meny sleeping pill the doc had given him, so they had to smoke it all themselfs.”

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    by Ian, Sheffield

    Thursday, August 27 2009, 10:30PM

    “The comments so far on this forum have nicely summed up the entire cannabis debate in terms of the attitudes of the different protagonists. We have:

    A defence of cannabis by those who want it legalising.

    The classic think-of-the-children cry by the prohibitionists, forgetting the fact that an illegal drug is one that's on the street, and that's where the kids are.

    Lord Lucan the comedian pretending to be stoned and confused, playing the old stoners-are-no-good-to-anybody line, little realising that the majority of his record collection was probably created under the influence of cannabis.

    The most perfect summation of the prohibitionist's line are the series of unfortunate comments by Andy from Sandbach, to be further pulled apart as follows:
    1, "Meanwhile, a study by Leicester University (recognised generally as academically senior to Staffs) has found that there is a direct link between the abuse of cannibis and mental illness."
    - no information or statistics here, just a line of propaganda. Why? Simply because whenever someone has printed the statistics they have been pulled apart because they are ALWAYS proven to be Bad Science. This is what this particular study has proven. And note the cheap shot about Leicester being somehow superior to Staffs.

    2, "In fact the Royal College of Psychiatrists states that "There is growing evidence that people with serious mental illness, including depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis or have used it for long periods of time in the past".
    - another beauty, along the same lines as saying there is growing evidence for people with headaches being more likely to take paracetamol. It does NOT prove causality, cannabis is being used here as a medicine. But then they don't want you to grow medicine, do they? You should buy it from Glaxo etc.

    3, "I never have and never will use drugs. I feel that it is a week willed person who has to consume drugs to either enjoy themselves or relax - that goes for abuse of alcohol too."
    - This is a bit of a personality give-away and denotes a person who would like to feel superior on the basis of abstinance. To top it all off he comes back and tries to act reasonable. A perfect summation of the whole debate; lies and propaganda thrown against cannabis by those who profit by its illegality, robust and SCIENTIFIC responses by the legalisers, then once again an attack on the reputation of legalisers. Since when did you ever try a sensible debate? If there were one on national TV you'd be statistically slaughtered, and we'd get this ridiculous law sorted once and for all.”

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