Prayers will be staying, say councils

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COUNCILLORS are prepared to defy the law and carry on saying their prayers.

A High Court judge has ruled there is no lawful place for prayers during formal council meetings, following a legal challenge by an atheist councillor.

It is not yet clear what the ramifications of that decision will be – but it is understood that councils which say prayers but do not list them as part of the formal agenda are not in contravention of the ruling.

Most councils – including Stoke-on-Trent, Newcastle and Cheshire East – will in future hold an informal prayer session before meetings start.

But defiant leaders of Staffordshire Moorlands District Council say they will continue to put prayers on the agenda.

Conservative council leader Sybil Ralphs said: "We have never had a complaint about saying prayers at council meetings.

"I couldn't encourage other people to break the law – but I would.

"Braver people than me have stood up for their faith and that would be an occasion when I would be judged by a higher authority."

Fellow Conservative and deputy council leader Arthur Forrester, who represents Alton, said: "It will continue like that and I fully support that.

"There's no two ways about it – prayers will continue as a set item.

"If someone doesn't want to remain while prayers are said, they don't have to.

"If it does become illegal, I would defy the law. I would be totally against anything like that."

Independent councillor Julie Bull said: "While no-one is complaining, I don't see a problem."

Conservative Moorlands MP Karen Bradley said: "I don't agree with the ruling. We start with prayers at Westminster and it's a great tradition.

"If councils want to carry on saying prayers at the start of meetings, I support them – they should do so."

Atheist councillor Clive Bone, of Devon, complained about the formal prayer sessions in 2010, saying they excluded non-believers.

Last week, Justice Duncan Ouseley ruled them unlawful under the Local Government Act.

Staffordshire Moorlands and Cheshire East councils are the only main authorities in the region who include prayers as an agenda item.

Stoke-on-Trent, Newcastle and Staffordshire County Council should all be unaffected.

A spokesman for Cheshire East Council said: "The council has removed the prayers item from the formal agenda of the full council meeting.

"We will, however, be inviting those members who wish to join the mayor and his chaplain to take part in prayers prior to the council meeting."

Stoke-on-Trent Lord Mayor Terry Follows said: "We want to make sure we are within the law.

"We plan to start with prayers, then adjourn, then start the full meeting."

Newcastle's mayor Trevor Hambleton said: "I don't think it affects us but we are seeking clarification."

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  • Profile image for Mayhem_12

    by Mayhem_12

    Wednesday, February 22 2012, 4:28PM

    “At last common sense prevails.”

  • Profile image for Wozzer101

    by Wozzer101

    Wednesday, February 22 2012, 11:32AM

    “Normal caring enlightened Christian reaction showing tolerance of others not shearing the views they hold, nice one Speccy. How can you say anyone's life is empty and direction-less just because a person will not hold your religion, how dare you. I'll assure you, heathen or not, my life is full and I have done many good things for people, just as many as you might have. I was not compelled to do them by or to spread the word of any God, I did them because I knew it was the best thing to do.”

  • Profile image for Speccy9eyes

    by Speccy9eyes

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 9:37PM

    “No, don't think you're inferior, just different. I leave the judging to you, after all, you are so enlightened aren't you?”

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    by Tonyjohnt

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 9:22PM

    “Quite a presumption to call my life empty and directionless. If I didn't know better I would think you were looking down on me, judging me as inferior - but that can't be right can it?

    Afterall... God is love.x.”

  • Profile image for Speccy9eyes

    by Speccy9eyes

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 9:07PM

    “Sorry, Tonyjohnt or Johntoe or even toerag, its all the same. Empty people trying to fit in with the current trend to marginalise Religion, and for what? So they can feel better about their empty, directionless lives and ensure they agree with the "oh so enlightened thinkers" that wish to impose their soulless existence onto everyone else. It's quite sad really.”

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    by Neil100

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 8:52PM

    “Ive got to ask what are they praying for?

    More donations perhaps?

    Interesting that the councillors will now be part of the criminal class.

    What goes around comes around!”

  • Profile image for Tonyjohnt

    by Tonyjohnt

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 8:42PM

    “I'm not Johntoe mate, he's a relative. See where you're struggling though - our names sound almost similar, well, they both have john in them.”

  • Profile image for Speccy9eyes

    by Speccy9eyes

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 8:30PM

    “Nice reply Johntoe.”

  • Profile image for Tonyjohnt

    by Tonyjohnt

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 8:16PM

    “Speccy9eyes - I'm getting more than a little tired of you thinking of a prejudice and then attributing it to me. Are you a wind up merchant or really as woolly minded as you seem?”

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    by Wozzer101

    Tuesday, February 21 2012, 8:15PM

    “The Bible don't bother me any nether, in fact I have one hear on my bookshelf and I have on my Kindle as well. I have been thought it over the years, very nice STORIES, and thinly veiled threats.”

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