Muslim school passes first stage of bid: Government officials to consider Iqra Academy in Longton

“Interesting idea. Apartheid education.”

“What's interesting about this thread, aside from the 'fors and againsts' re the proposal, -is what it says about both mindsets -the Muslim mindset and the non-Muslim, mainly white indigenous mindset, in regard to what I might call- 'the great divide'. Sharing this land, but from either side of a 'social fence'.

There is a 'mistrust' that exists between the two communities -because let's face it -square on, it does 'feel' like two communities with totally different cultural and religious values, who go out of their respective ways to keep each other at arm's length, only coming into contact when necessary. i.e. 'Where you going to?' -'A Restaurant in Hanley'. .....And.. -'What are you having from the menu? Have you made your mind up yet?' -'Er, No.17 please'.

The 'mistrust' I sense, which is more than evident in the way most people are commenting on the Faith School Proposal on this website, has come about, and been nurtured by decades of 'political correctness' gone mad, where open democratic debate, whenever it tried to 'raise its beautiful head' -was quickly stifled by the 'social-engineering' outfits -coming out of local Council Offices and from Whitehall too -mainly New Labour 'thinking'..... And OUT OF OUR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

The average man in the street has been 'scorned and scoffed at' -and SHOUTED DOWN BY THE PC BRIGADE... called a racist, whenever they attempted to point their point of view regarding the ethnic communities -even though there was no racism inherent in that point of view - They would be branded as being a member of the BNP or the EDL -referred to as fascists.... When they were no such thing.
The real villains of the piece in this regard are those mentioned above -the 'SOCIAL ENGINEERS' -if anyone is a racist -it is they... CLOSET RACISTS.

...is that the former has a 'swagger' -reflecting a confidence, a belief, in what they desire, whatever they 'ask for' is just, and fair... because religious people should have a special dispensation -as they 'are close to god' (Allah) .... And the latter (white indigenous)... which is one of a 'despairing nature'.... an inevitability' -that whatever a Muslim Group demand -will be given.

This white indigenous mindset suggests it has come from a 'brow-beaten' population -told to accept whatever is thrown at them -and not to object. This 'brow-beaten' mindset is reflected in the low turnouts at local elections... They've given up; there's is one of despair that the 'vote is useless'. That's why many come on here complaining and moaning about this and that, but never vote, and even more less likely -NEVER WRITE TO THEIR MP OR VISIT THEIR LOCAL COUNCILLOR -they probably don't even know who that is, let alone find out where they operate from.
In a strange, bizarre kind of way... it's the ethnic communities who benefit most now from the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS... its procedures... HOW IT WORKS. That's what this thread has shown things to be.
They've lost 'the will to live'. An air of inevitability hangs like a dark grey cloud over their lives...... Where they see local politicians GETTING AWAY WITH CLOSING DOWN CARE HOMES FOR OUR OLD FOLK, on the grounds that there's no money left to run them, -WHILE AT THE SAME TIME 'throwing millions' at knocking down perfectly good new purpose built Council Offices, so as to build YET ANOTHER ONE a mile away..-just to satisfy, in response to.. their 'delusions of grandeur' -the latter that goes with their basic mindset.

Common sense of the ordinary 'common man' -has been dismissed as irrelevant.”

“blah , blah , blah ,,, we have to accept the things we cannott change ,,the muslims , live hear , we live ,here ,, mite as well just get on with , it ,, ask , yourself , does it really matter what they do , or say ,,,,or in what way does it affect , you ,,,,,,,, thats all i have too say ,,,,,”

“That utter p***k Tomma Robinson or whatever he wants to call himself this week is not in a US prison, he was changed and jailed for leaving the UK on false passport, and entering the US, in this country, and jailed in this country. He did this because he's got a record as long as his arms for violent offencies and would not be allowed in the US on his passport to spout his uneducated rubbish. By the way, he came out, for some strange reason last week, with his idiotic supporters still whining there sacks off that he missed his kids at Christmas, even though his lady give him the flick years ago, for attempting to break her face while drunk and as high as a kite on crack.”

“Cheers mate. My sentiments exactly. In fact, the outcome either way, I can't lose. Because....

Bit like when you have a bet that your team, be it football, cricket, whatever, lose (on the '2-horse' race bet -as in naming the outright winner of a competition -where the draw in not part of it) -then if my team wins, although I've lost my stake money, I'm cock-a-hoop that my team's come tops.

On the other hand if my team loses, then the win money off the bet is a great consolation.

But seriously, given the criteria -as laid down in the legislation, It is obvious that the people who've formed this 'charity' are more driven by 'blind faith' than considering the laws of Parliament. That's why I can't see it coming off. They're dreamers living in the past rather than pragmatists looking to the future and a better life as an integrated ethnic community.

They haven't yet swallowed the English saying 'to want one's cake and eat it'.

But they'll get there eventually..... steal yourself.”

“@Backdoored

You said;

"'Did you vote at the last local Council Elections?' I hope so. Babbling away on this site is no substitute. And, HAVE YOU WRITTEN YET TO YOUR LOCAL MP ?? Or gone to see them at their monthly surgery and expressed to them what you express on here?
Are all you concerned people listening out there?"

Very poignant questions Backdoored, but I fear that for many, the answers to the questions you have raised would be something along the lines of 'no I didn't', 'of course not', 'I couldn't be bothered' and 'no, we are not' in that order.

And given that level of apathy, if this school does open - and I sincerely hope you are correct when you say that it won't – then the chief complainers will have to ask themselves if they really did all they could to stop it.”

“by ChristJesus
"Problem in Stoke is that the council elected are best mates with the people who want this school building. Of course they'll allow it, just like they gave that convict his taxi license back the other month". -Unquote.

Sorry to have to repeat this, but -THE LOCAL COUNCIL, THE LOCAL LABOUR COUNCIL, -HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER AT ALL.
The decision is made in London. The decision is made in Whitehall -BY THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR SCHOOLS.
The only part the LABOUR CONTROLLED City Council play in the matter is to receive the proposals from the Longton Iqra Charity Trust -check that the documentation is in order, check that they have met the official dead-line (and I can tell you that they only just managed to scrape under the wire -so late in the day did they submit the proposal), AND THEN FORWARD the proposal to the Minister for Education -Michael Gove MP -his Under Secretary is charged with overseeing the process, scrutinizing the proposal with his team of Whitehall bureaucrats, and finally at some time ... making a decision, based on the welfare of all the community -not just one section of it.

I HOPE THAT MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU. btw, 'Did you vote at the last local Council Elections?' I hope so. Babbling away on this site is no substitute. And, HAVE YOU WRITTEN YET TO YOUR LOCAL MP ?? Or gone to see them at their monthly surgery and expressed to them what you express on here?
Are all you concerned people listening out there?



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“by sydney201
"The Iqra Welfare Trust, which has submitted the bid, has stressed the school will be open to anyone, not just pupils from the Islamic faith". -Unquote.

It won't open. Too many obstacles. An idiosyncratic one would be, that whereas an 'infidel' pupil is made to feel 'at home' -his/her non-belief in no way affecting their status in the School, ..being treated as of equal worth om the day to day running of the Christian Faith Based School, -at an Islamic Faith Based School that infidel 'status' would be extremely difficult to accommodate.

It would certainly test the patience of any self-respecting 'play-ground' bully. Of course, any 'non-believer' would see it as an unwise move to attend a Muslim Faith Based School. So I can't see how the following criteria is going to be met.... (quote)...

"Free Schools with a religious character will have to balance the needs of children with a faith and children of other faiths or NONE. As with all schools, faith schools have to ensure that their admission arrangements are FAIR, transparent, and LAWFUL. When oversubscribed, faith schools MUST admit at least 50% of their intake without reference to faith.

Faith Free Schools should appeal to a wide range of parents and pupils, not just of the faith.
BEFORE WE ENSURE THAT NO ELEMENT OF THE SCHOOL IS EXCLUSIVE or might DETER parents of other faiths or NONE from applying.
This could include lessons taught in community languages, large proportions of the curriculum time devoted to faith based studies, restrictive dietary requirements or the mandatory wearing of religious symbols as part of the school uniform policy". -Lord Nash (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Schools)





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“@Leanne'
EDL Leanne are a few no marks & trouble makers from luton they hate the extremists there leader steven lennon is in a usa prison for using a false passport he & his 'people 'are trouble makers,EDL have a few hundred members they are nothing..what most civilized people are talking about is this muslim school wasting the tax payers money,this is a kick in the teeth for the tax payer & christians alike there is 1 rule for them & 1 rule for us,cameron has stripped the poor of there pittance & spending millions of tax payers money on this RACIST school exclusive for muslims...DIVIDED WE STAND..”

“Buster24,that's my point - the Bible tells Jews and Christians to do that too - God's law is higher than all other laws. Makes sense really,if you believe in a god,he is going to be a better judge than us weak imperfect humans,otherwise there wouldn't be a point to having a god. Most of us are fairly reasonable about it,but there's always a few,like those in the USA who have killed abortion clinic workers. There are plenty of us reasonable ones about and plenty of reasonable muslims abiut too - they are just not the ones you see in the papers. I can't say I've seen many protests demanding 'killings in the name of Allah' actually - seen the EDL out though trashing shops and cars....”