Clear thinking is needed on move

“Stan_Byerman - You say that "If Mr Pervez and his party fail to deliver on their promises then we get to vote them out at the next election. That's democracy folks!" This is true and probably rings true in every other council in th country, except here because there is one problem with this idea. The majority of the voters in Stoke-on-Trent have very short memories. They are also incapable of making a decision that means doing the opposite of what they normally do ie use their brains and vote for someone else. Which when added together means that it doesn't matter what this utterly useless council does, the same majority of utterly useless councilors get re-elected and the same mistakes just keep on happening.”

“Warren:
You say that I am too far gone? (the interpreter I employ to decipher you tells me so).

I haven't contributed to this post but you say I am totally wrong anyway.

Wow! Now that's what I call losing it.

ps. Please ask your Labour friends to refrain from posting under 2nd and 3rd names.
So very juvenile, so very wrong, so very Labour (cheating once again).”

“warren in the 4 posts youve not once said anything of the extra debt being created by your Labour group or been able to give credence to the move.

why is that?”

“Warren to quote the City Council "As we are currently reviewing these buildings, we have not come to a conclusion on the final number, and therefore we cannot provide you with exact details of costings and locations." http://tinyurl.com/cy7h3k2

Now if yourself Stan know better, let us know.

Me before taking a gamble on spending £59M increasing interest payback by £5m a year, I'd like to see the rationalisation is possible and wont effect local services.

Can you give any guarantees on local service with wide scale relocation to Hanley?

Do you also dismiss the report by NLP and Lunson Mitchenall saying "There is therefore an urgent need for the Council to re-appraise the future plannigvof the City Centre to reduce the uncertainty the current strategy is having upon the city
centre”

“Ian, you as well, and your mate Mole10, don't have a clue neither. You may one day work it out, Mole10 is to far gone and Pond never will because he's not into working with others, in fact he's not I to just working, you will see his name on a voting slip next election though, sees the council as a cash cow and he wants a bit.”

“Stan_Byerman "Then we have the benefits of rationalisation (fewer buildings/people/utilities etc) that will realise a saving of over £3million a year."

Can I ask where this £3million fiqure has come from? as far as I'm aware the buildings to be relocated have yet to be decided, but if your in possession of where the 2000 employees are going to be relocated from please advised. Its been released that 900 are coming from civic centre and swann house. where are the other 1100 coming from to enable real rationalisation?

If there really are that many employees scatted across the city and they can be relocated without effecting local services, then thats to be welcomed. But so far it appears undecided what can actually be achieved and the £25m from sales and £3m from savings are pure spin without published evidence.”

“Crair , you forget, I know what you say is the problem with you, Osgood's Slathers, cured in its worst of forms with a months rest and the use of pain killers. it stopped you playing football to any level, and you have some line about being thrown out of the army with it, witch they would have done, would you want it to return as you acted as bullet fodder on some far off battlefield. What I'm saying mate is, you are only as disabled, or as you call it, crippeled- dreadfuly common word if you ask me- you might, like Coleman, call it plain English- as you want to be. I have to walk with a walking stick at times, and you know the reason why. I don't class myself as disabled, I own my own home and work part time, because I can afford to.

By the way , show me any law passed that says anyone has to give a job to a persons his origin lies in another country over a person born hear, you can't , there isn't one, more then likely more rubbish found on some right wing web site yet again.”

“Fegghayesman: "only a total moron would back the wasting of millions of pounds of the taxpayers money to satisy the egomania of a handful of high ranking council conmen."

And are you Craig.... you know... a taxpayer... really? ... I mean c'mon really?...

Can you get your daughter (the one with the 17 GCSE's) to work out when you actually paid tax?

I mean actually PAID IN as opposed to TAKE OUT.

When/what year did you last actually work for a living?

Honest answers now Craig (that means telling the actual truth) I'm told you are working out these days (pumping iron as well as your fist) It would be a shame if some workplace missed out on your new physique.

Go on make like Yosser Hughes and shout - GIZ A JOB!!”

“Good god - what an angry and thoroughly nasty man Fegghayes man is. The last time I read incoherent nonsense like that on the web was ages ago and that came from the keyboard of some far right extremist nut case name Craig Pond.

It isn't.... is it? No! It can't be.... because this great newspaper banned him... Oh wait..

Meanwhile back in Stokie...

I applaud this council's vision for the future. I want to see the new bus station, city sentral, the central business district and eventually the Potteries Shopping Centre expansion. Why? Because they will provide jobs, growth in the local economy, business opportunities and an improvement to the lives of the residents who inhabit this wonderful city.

The £50million is a worse case scenario. The sale of lands and building should reduce that figure significantly. Then we have the benefits of rationalisation (fewer buildings/people/utilities etc) that will realise a saving of over £3million a year.

Those who lack the vision and the gumption to support brave decisions can only want our great city to remain in the doldrums so that they can all rant from behind their keyboards about how bad it is in Stoke.

If Mr Pervez and his party fail to deliver on their promises then we get to vote them out at the next election. That's democracy folks! Then we can rejoice in the knowledge that Super Dave Conway will come to the rescue. You know who I mean the man who can spout on all day long about what is wrong and why we shouldn't do this or that, but is clearly devoid of any clue what we what is right and what we should be doing. The man is a throw back to the dinosaur age!

And you Mr Pond are a throw back to the start of time and an age when all men/women were black.”

“Warren,
hahahaha!!

You crack me up. You **** me off for being a cripple, you **** me off for not working, then give all the jobs to foreigners! You even support the inclusion of a law that says its ok to discriminate against the white working class in order to get foreigners into British jobs!

You **** the tory council of Newcastle off for a bit of faulty cladding and and gatepost baubles, but in your complete imbecility, you support the spending of what started as £40 million, has now grown to £59 million, and what will inevitably expand beyond that, to move the city council to a new location when the refurbishments of the civic centre have cost millions more!
And to cap it all, you have the brass neck to say I don't understand!

You're an idiot. You always have been an idiot, and you always will be an idiot, but more importantly, you haven't even the most basic understanding of whats happening, because only a total moron would back the wasting of millions of pounds of the taxpayers money to satisy the egomania of a handful of high ranking council conmen.”